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Fylde's £1.8m bill for free bus rides



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Published Date: 18 November 2008
COUNCIL tax payers across the Fylde coast are facing a shock £1.8m bill to pay for free bus fares for pensioners.
Blackpool alone may have to find up to another £1.2m if the Government refuses to hand over extra cash and if a pooling arrangement between all 14 local authorities in Lancashire unravels.

The three Fylde coast authorities have borne the brunt of the free scheme because they have to pay for the return journeys of the large number of visitors they attract.

And town hall leaders are now warning of large council tax rises or painful cuts to vital services if the Government does not step in and help.

Blackpool Council leader Coun Peter Callow said: "We can't afford to make up a shortfall of £1.2m.

"And this isn't just going to be this year, it will be next year as well. The burden can't be expected to fall on the council tax payers of this town.

"I'm not blaming pensioners for getting on buses, that's their right, but if the Government is going to provide concessionary travel, they should pay for it.

"There are obviously going to be budgetary pressures in the future.
"Unless the government gives us the money, we can either cut services or put council tax up.

"It torpedoes our sound financial position."

Lancashire's local authorities pooled almost £25m given to them by central government to pay for free bus fares.

But figures from the first four months of the scheme predict there will be a shortfall of £2.7m.

East Lancashire towns such as Blackburn, Hyndburn and Pendle are winners and are forecast to make a surplus out of the funding process.

Under the pooling arrangement, those surpluses would be used to bail out destinations like Blackpool which have proved more popular for free travel.

The extra cost to the resort would fall from £1.2m to around £781,000 under the share-out.

But a Fylde Council report says the future of the pooling arrangement "is uncertain" because of financial pressures on all local councils.

Opposition councillors in Blackburn and Hyndburn have questioned the validity of the scheme.

"There are winners and losers in Lancashire which obviously puts a strain on the pooling arrangement," added Coun Callow, "but at the moment we are all committed and we will be uniting to lobby Government about this and ask for more money."

A £1.2m deficit could represent a 2.1 per cent increase in council tax.

Meanwhile, Fylde faces a deficit of £243,000 with the pooling arrangement, or £362,000 without it, while the figures for Wyre are £179,00 and £266,000.

Fylde Council leader Coun John Coombes said: "If other towns withdraw from the pooling arrangement, it will leave Blackpool, Fylde and Wyre high and dry.

"To clear our deficit we would be looking at an eight per cent council tax increase but we can't do that because we are limited to a five per cent cap.

"We have nowhere to go other than to reduce services."

Wyre Council leader Coun Russell Forsyth said: "We hope people honour what they said in the first place and stay in the pool, otherwise the financial impact certainly on the west of the county is going to be quite severe."

Blackburn with Darwen Labour group leader Kate Hollern said: "I certainly don't think we should just hand over money without any debate."

Council leaders are planning to meet government ministers in coming weeks to discuss the shortfall.

The government introduced free travel for over 60s after 9.30am in April.


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fyldecoast,

fylde 18/11/2008 09:34:48
So local council taxpayers are somehow expected to pay for the governments ill thought out plan or lose services - amazing. Wait for Dustin's reply
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xoxo,

Blackpool town centre 18/11/2008 09:41:33
It means that my bus fair will go up again... thanks Blackpool Transport - robbing me blind and letting your busses turn up when they like (I won't mention the speeding should I?!?)
Maybe we should all just get cars instead, there isn't much of an incentive to use public transport anymore if your my age.
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Nick Rudd,

18/11/2008 10:45:24
Blackpool Transport were quick to put their fares up (about 25 per cent in some cases) when the cost of diesel at the pump soared to £1.30. Now it is down to about £1.07, the fares don't come down again, do they? And still the buses come when they like and we miss important appointments because they can't be relied upon.
And by the way, Hyndburn and Pendle aren't 'towns' - they are the names of local authorities, as in 'Fylde' and 'Wyre'. Hyndburn covers the greater Accrington area and Pendle the towns of Nelson and Colne.
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french bus driver,

18/11/2008 10:45:36
xoxo it;s not blackpool transports fault all they do is run a bus service the same as they did before the free fares for oap's
but there are that many oap's travelling just 1 or 2 stops that means the bus is stopping more frequently , added with school leaving times and rush hour means traffic build up hence late buses .
you cannot stop the oap's traveling 1 stop if you tried they would ask for the furthest destination and get off after 1 stop
after 6 months of the scheme being launched it was capped which proves they are already killing it so they have to pay after 11pm mon to fri which causes a lot of arguements with the drivers when they leave the pub
hopefully the next step will be a maximum of 14 trips a week 2 a day
also bts said they would drop the fares if diesel went down in price it has at the pumps but the fares remain the same
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tasty morsel,

18/11/2008 12:17:58
The reason buses don't turn up when advertised is because of the increase in passenger numbers. There are more patrons than ever before, yet the drivers still have the same running time to deal with them all. A bus gets later and later until two buses run together. Now, how do you think the late bus gets back on time? It has to miss part of a journey to get where it should be. This is unfortunate, but how else can it be done?
As for the financial side,
The council borough in which the bus is situated when the ticket is issued has to pay a percentage of the ticket value. So if tourists go from Blackpool to St Annes, Then Blackpool council pays. When the tourists go back from St Annes to Blackpool, Fylde coucil pay.

A percentage of the many pensioners just get on the bus for something to do. I have many friends who are bus drivers and they tell multiple stories of holiday-maker oap's getting on and going on a full round trip, just to keep out of the rain or cold!!
Look at the number 7 bus for instance.
Passenger gets on in Blackpool going on a round trip for something to do.
Blackpool to Lytham, Blackpool pay,
Then Lytham to Cleveleys, Fylde pay,
Then Cleveleys to Blackpool, Wyre pay !

The Government need to fund this properly. The bus company only get a fraction of the ticket value. Why else do they have lots of old buses in their fleet? The company have bought some more second hand buses recently. If they were raking it in, they would be buying new.

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martongrown,

Blackpool 18/11/2008 12:38:44
But the buses still have to travel A to B all the time it is just a way of balancing the books back in the offices of each council. But I must say its time the fares came down soorry pigs don't fly. It is only the rain that comes down isn't it.!!
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BlackpoolJames,

Blackpool 18/11/2008 12:46:54
Forgive me if i am mistaken, but i think you will find that the bus company gets ALL the ticket money. Yes that's right, the bus gets 100% of the ticket refunded. It's the council that suffers.
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tasty morsel,

18/11/2008 13:07:17
http://www.blackburn.gov.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.39312&outputFormat=print

Thats the Blackburn and Blackpool joint partnership regarding concessionary fares.

In section 9 :

"It shall be the objective of the Scheme to reimburse operators so that they are no better and no worse off for participating in the scheme."

so they don't get the full value.

It looks like the more they carry, the less money reimbursed per ticket.
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18/11/2008 13:14:20
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brian69,

blackpool 18/11/2008 13:37:41
i agree with the comments made on number 4 and 5 of this story.
it is true that passenger numbers have increased since the free fares were introduced with no extra running times to do the job,and that is why you will often see 2 and three buses of the same service in convoy.
also since the free fares were introduced some people are abusing this scheme.an example of this is getting on the bus at one stop and only travelling to the next stop on route.if they had to pay for this one stop wonder then that would be another matter because they would have to pay.
in some parts of the country they are allowed to use their passes twice in a day one to get to destination and one to get back. if they use it again then they pay.
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