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Confusion over future of Fylde pools



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Published Date:
12 November 2008
CONFUSION reigns over the future of two swimming pools after it emerged a deal to keep them open is far from complete.
Fylde Council leader Coun John Coombes announced yesterday "a solution" had been found to secure the future of both Kirkham and St Annes baths at no cost to the taxpayer.

But it has now emerged the deal would only see the YMCA take over the running of Kirkham pool and not St Annes.

The deal to secure Kirkham Baths' future remains subject to Fylde Council cabinet's approval and a final decision from the YMCA.

Only then, if the Kirkham deal was a success, would the possibility arise a similar deal could be struck to re-open St Annes Pool.

John Cronin, executive officer of Fylde Coast YMCA, said: "Fylde Coast YMCA is still in negotiations with Fylde Council and as such no arrangement to re-open the swimming pools has been agreed thus far.

"Fylde Coast YMCA will continue with the ongoing discussions with Fylde Council to secure public swimming in Fylde.

"Some progress has been made, but as yet nothing official have been agreed."

This came after some leading councillors, including the cabinet member with responsibility for the pools, claimed the baths had been "saved".

"Kirkham Baths has been saved and St Annes will be open again very soon," Coun Simon Renwick said in a statement yesterday.

Such an announcement has now been slammed as "premature" and "jumping the gun".

Opposition councillor, Coun David Chedd, said: "This announcement raises more questions than answers. Let's have the full story so that staff and swimmers know what is really going on."

Kirkham ward councillor Elaine Silverwood added: "They have jumped the gun on this.

"It was totally disrespectful, unprofessional and premature to make an announcement to the press about the pools without consulting the YMCA and Rural Splash."

Rural Splash, a group of councillors and residents who want to take over the running of Kirkham Baths as a charitable trust, are currently in negotiations with the council.

Sources inside the group expressed unease at the timing of the council's announcement and are now appealing for clarification on the position.

The group requires a subsidy of £120,000 to execute its business plan. Under the council's YMCA plan there would be no such public cash injection.

St Annes Pool campaigners said they remained hopeful a deal with the YMCA would be a success.

All concerned said they had renewed hope Kirkham Baths would remain open and St Annes Pool, which closed in July as part of council cut backs following a budget overspend, would re-open in the future.

Coun John Coombes said: "We have found a scheme whereby the pool at Kirkham could be retained and are still in negotiations with interested parties to ensure that a partnership is forged to drive the scheme forward.

"The talks will continue once the Cabinet agrees to the scheme, which we strongly expect to happen.

"Provided all groups are then happy with the proposals the plan will then be put into action.

"There is still work to be done to finalise the agreement but we have now crossed the biggest hurdle and we are very confident the issue will be resolved."

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Nick Rudd,

12/11/2008 10:59:23
A bit different to the original story, eh? Maybe it will teach the Gazette a lesson about getting the full story before committing to print rather than just running what was obviously PR. Journalism should rule over churnalism every time.
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Benignintervention,

12/11/2008 11:35:20
Who was confused over the fate of the baths? FBC? Rural Splash? The Public? or just the provincial hacks?
As my comments show on the original story, the information was there, it had just been interpreted wrongly to create a 'sensational' headline.
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Frustrated,

St Annes 12/11/2008 11:58:50
I don't think it's fair to conclude Johnston press are to blame for the headline - it seems fairly reasonable given Simon Renwick's direct quote. Cllr Renwick clearly wants the pools to be open and you can't fault him for that - he's not directly responsible for the financial situation that has caused the closures. However shouldn't we be able to trust all of our cabinet to give us the truth in a clear and unambiguous way? On the issue of the St Annes pool no real progress seems to have been made since March.
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Benignintervention,

12/11/2008 13:22:08
Frustrated, as you say, perhaps Cllr Renwick’s choice of wording was somewhat unfortunate when asked for a quote.
However, as the story quite clearly states, the announcement was made by Cllr Coombes, merely stating that a solution had been FOUND to secure the future of Kirkham Baths. A solution surely has to be IMPLEMENTED for a headline to be printed like yesterday’s was?
It seems to me The Gazette hacks took this information and tried to sensationalise it. This misled the public, giving false hope to many. It also seems to have annoyed all parties involved, such as the YMCA and Rural Splash. This kind of furore can only hinder dialogue between all concerned, especially as Rural Splash has a number of opposition members on its body, who are only too happy to use today’s story to have a go at the Conservative Cabinet. Unfortunately, mud slinging will never help the plight of Kirkham Baths.
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Benignintervention,

12/11/2008 13:24:06
Frustrated, as for the reason why no progress has been made on the fate of St Annes Pool, No St Annes and Residents seem to have the vision or inclination to form a charitable trust like Rural Splash. What a shame.
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Stanner,

Saint Anne's on the Sea 12/11/2008 14:09:31
That's right! We've no plan to form a charitable trust. We just keep paying taxes that were previously used for public services like swimming pools.

For decades, successive incarnations of Fylde RDC, Lytham, St Annes UDC, and Fylde Borough managed to provide and run swimming baths from our taxes. It's only the present administration that is so financially incompetent it has thrown in the towel. Trying to hand over to the YMCA is the last resort of a management that has admitted its own incompetence.

If they wanted to do something, the council could establish its own charitable trust. But they don't. There is a political agenda that despises public services in principle. The stated aim in the 2008 Corporate plan for swimming is:

"Outcome to be achieved by April 1st 2009: The Council has no ongoing operational responsibility for the operation of public swimming pools".

In common with earlier posts, I believe this latest spin is to do with generating headlines to bury Coombes' non-selection as a parliamentary candidate and to appear positive to the external inspection process taking place this week. He can't last much longer having so obviously lost the confidence of his peers.
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Benignintervention,

12/11/2008 14:35:36
I say again, the headline was thought up by Gazette Hacks, not the Council.

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MisterJJ,

St Annes 12/11/2008 18:22:51
The quote from John Coombes was "I'm delighted to announce a solution has been found which will secure funding for the borough's two pools for the medium-term future at no cost to the council tax payer."

How else can this be interpreted other than the pools have been saved? It mentions both pools - not just Kirkham, it says a solution has been found - which it has not! This is all damn lies generated by this incompetent council.

Benignintervention your attempt to try and deflect this terrible PR blunder into the hands of the Gazette are (ironically based on your moniker) quite malignant-intervention - and wrong!
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Starlight of the Fylde,

Fylde 12/11/2008 20:00:30
Every credit must be given to John Coombes and those who have fought to keep Kirham Baths open and it seems to re-open St Annes baths. Well done. Dodgy headlines cause confusion. The Fylde Council press release was very clear, it is worth reading and you can make your own conclusions who was causing the confusion.
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Benignintervention,

12/11/2008 21:06:38
Mr JJ, I am not trying to deflect anything, why would I? I am merely pointing out the fact that this rag has jumped on a story and rode it into public and stirred up aggrevation. I will repeat (as I seem to have to, all too often)'finding a solution' can not be in any way construed as 'implementing a solution'.

As a regular user of Kirkham baths, I hope the solution that has been found, can be implemented. However, it is my view that for the same to happen with St Annes Pool, Complainers/Residents of St Annes need to get off their backsides and take positive action.
Well done FBC for doing all they can. Well done Rural Splash for fighting on Kirkham & District's behalf. Well done YMCA for even entertaining the idea of taking on a loss making facility. Now let the parties involved make this happen.
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